H2 Vandalized

[Alan06SUT]

Originally Posted by zoe1

When I joined this forum I joined specifically to disprove a comment that I read about the Prius being more environmentally damaging than a Hummer.

Well, you havent disproved anything. What happens to the batteries that are so toxic? Put them in yucca mountain right? Why is the lifespan only 100,000 miles? Thats not very sustainable. They may cost less to operate than a hummer (MAY b/c I havent researched it yet, and they havent been out long enough to see long term maint.) but they still use fossil fuel and extremely toxic and environmentally un-friendly batteries. Also they have extremely limited capabilities and space. They simply are not up to the task for many people who tow, haul, have big families, etc. You probably have to get furniture and other large items delivered right? Well I can guarantee the truck it comes to your house on gets worse mileage than my H2. So why does everyone want to compare the h2 to the prius so often? The prius is not the answer to pollution, and I believe all they do is make some people feel less guilty due to their faux eco friendly image. Hummer hate does the same thing, falsely releves guilt.

[jmsspratlin]

Originally Posted by Alan06SUT

Well, you havent disproved anything. What happens to the batteries that are so toxic? Put them in yucca mountain right? Why is the lifespan only 100,000 miles? Thats not very sustainable. They may cost less to operate than a hummer (MAY b/c I havent researched it yet, and they havent been out long enough to see long term maint.) but they still use fossil fuel and extremely toxic and environmentally un-friendly batteries. Also they have extremely limited capabilities and space. They simply are not up to the task for many people who tow, haul, have big families, etc. You probably have to get furniture and other large items delivered right? Well I can guarantee the truck it comes to your house on gets worse mileage than my H2. So why does everyone want to compare the h2 to the prius so often? The prius is not the answer to pollution, and I believe all they do is make some people feel less guilty due to their faux eco friendly image. Hummer hate does the same thing, falsely releves guilt.

VERY WELL SAID!

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by Alan06SUT

Well, you havent disproved anything. What happens to the batteries that are so toxic? Put them in yucca mountain right? Why is the lifespan only 100,000 miles? Thats not very sustainable. They may cost less to operate than a hummer (MAY b/c I havent researched it yet, and they havent been out long enough to see long term maint.) but they still use fossil fuel and extremely toxic and environmentally un-friendly batteries. Also they have extremely limited capabilities and space. They simply are not up to the task for many people who tow, haul, have big families, etc. You probably have to get furniture and other large items delivered right? Well I can guarantee the truck it comes to your house on gets worse mileage than my H2. So why does everyone want to compare the h2 to the prius so often? The prius is not the answer to pollution, and I believe all they do is make some people feel less guilty due to their faux eco friendly image. Hummer hate does the same thing, falsely releves guilt.

First, hanks for being so diplomatic. I haven't been well received on this forum even though I've tried the diplomatic approach myself. I appreciate your civility.

The Prius lifespan of 100,000 miles is erroneous. There is a cab fleet in Canada with well over this mileage that's operating on their initial battery packs. Though this isn't an issue yet, the batteries are recycled and the manufacturer offers an incentive for compliance. They're big on keeping these out of the waste stream. And no, so far I've picked up a 10 foot oak tree and a picnic table from Home Depot and have packed it in the car. The car is very accommodating as the back seats fold down. The tow capacity, however, is much lower than the Hummer. I agree that everyone has different needs for a car and that smaller cars aren't for everyone. I do, however, think our perception of what we need is a little skewed. Decades ago, people got along just fine with small cars and small houses.

So far as your last statement, I'm not sure that their acts relieved anyone's guilt. As you can see by the replies on this thread, all they've done is to serve more divisiveness in this country.......over a car. The irony of it is that now the Hummer owner has to go purchase extensive materials to fix his car. That's not really what typical eco people want. I'm not really sure of what they thought they'd accomplish doing something like this. In my mind, I always wonder why people like this get attention. Keep stuff like this out of the media and don't give people like this a platform.

And please know it wasn't me that compared the Prius to the Hummer. They're entirely different cars with different purposes and as such, there can never be a true comparison.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by zoe1

Decades ago, people got along just fine with small cars and small houses.

100,000 years ago people got along just fine with no cars and tiny caves. I see no reason for progress, maybe we should revert back to that way of life. You go first.

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

There's a good chance he/she all ready has...

How do you get internet access in your cave anyhow?

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

Originally Posted by zoe1

Decades ago, people got along just fine with small cars

Decades ago, people drove around in these kind of things. ANYTHING but small, zoe...

[Alan06SUT]

Originally Posted by zoe1

First, hanks for being so diplomatic. I haven't been well received on this forum even though I've tried the diplomatic approach myself. I appreciate your civility.

The Prius lifespan of 100,000 miles is erroneous. There is a cab fleet in Canada with well over this mileage that's operating on their initial battery packs. Though this isn't an issue yet, the batteries are recycled and the manufacturer offers an incentive for compliance. They're big on keeping these out of the waste stream. And no, so far I've picked up a 10 foot oak tree and a picnic table from Home Depot and have packed it in the car. The car is very accommodating as the back seats fold down. The tow capacity, however, is much lower than the Hummer. I agree that everyone has different needs for a car and that smaller cars aren't for everyone. I do, however, think our perception of what we need is a little skewed. Decades ago, people got along just fine with small cars and small houses.

So far as your last statement, I'm not sure that their acts relieved anyone's guilt. As you can see by the replies on this thread, all they've done is to serve more divisiveness in this country.......over a car. The irony of it is that now the Hummer owner has to go purchase extensive materials to fix his car. That's not really what typical eco people want. I'm not really sure of what they thought they'd accomplish doing something like this. In my mind, I always wonder why people like this get attention. Keep stuff like this out of the media and don't give people like this a platform.

And please know it wasn't me that compared the Prius to the Hummer. They're entirely different cars with different purposes and as such, there can never be a true comparison.

Thank you for conceding that there are different people with different needs out there and that comparing the two is unproductive. I agree that this stunt will only make the greenies look mean and intolerant of others' preferences. It is very ironic!

I still am not convinced that the prius is so "green". The batteries and their current methods of production are the least bit "green", especially when you consider the importation/exprotation (the fuel used during this), and the toxic waste produced.

I'm sure there are some that will exceed the 100,000 mile but the average lifespan is what matters. That means the prius would have to be recycled nearly three times (and use all of the energy to build it back again, and the batteries, etc.) to be on par with the Hummer and other domestic trucks who's lifespans are nearly 300,000 miles.

The prius costs less for the end user at the gas pump, but other than that, I don't see any real advantage to it over a comparable strictly gas powered econo box. I am glad you are happy with the Prius and hopefully your are glad that we are happy with our Hummers! It takes all kinds to make the world go around! Peace.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by Alan06SUT

Thank you for conceding that there are different people with different needs out there and that comparing the two is unproductive. I agree that this stunt will only make the greenies look mean and intolerant of others' preferences. It is very ironic!

I still am not convinced that the prius is so "green". The batteries and their current methods of production are the least bit "green", especially when you consider the importation/exprotation (the fuel used during this), and the toxic waste produced.

I'm sure there are some that will exceed the 100,000 mile but the average lifespan is what matters. That means the prius would have to be recycled nearly three times (and use all of the energy to build it back again, and the batteries, etc.) to be on par with the Hummer and other domestic trucks who's lifespans are nearly 300,000 miles.

The prius costs less for the end user at the gas pump, but other than that, I don't see any real advantage to it over a comparable strictly gas powered econo box. I am glad you are happy with the Prius and hopefully your are glad that we are happy with our Hummers! It takes all kinds to make the world go around! Peace.

Unfortunately the stuff mined for the Prius batteries is also mined (to a much greater degree) for a ton of other stuff we buy. But I do recognize that the Prius (let alone any other car) can never truly be "green".

The Prius is going on nearly 10 years of production and I haven't heard of one battery pack that has had to be replaced. But yes, the technology can be considered "in it's infancy" and only time will tell as to average life span. That's my gripe about the reports out there to date. They're all based on assumptions and historical data.

Thank you, again, for your kindness. And may Peace be with you as well.

[jmsspratlin]